I want one of these.

[madprophet]

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Not sure if this is "fringe", not really on the tech side but I had a thought.Could a similar setup use only air and moisture to produce electricity like a storm cloud? Seems like the potential for even greater output may be possible... Thaks for the vid, Frog!

[7redorbs]

One of these plus a sterling engine would be extremely interesting... Especially if it is at 70% Overunity.

A

[outlander]

That's the thing. We are bombarded with stuff like this and if it were true why don't they direct the heat from it to power the Stirling which then powers the electric motor. To this day no one displays any of these overunity devices powering themselves. As I mentioned to Adam yesterday I watched the latest Steorn demo at steorn.com and the Q&A session was all too telling.. nothing but excuses when asked about placing a load on the device to show overunity.. I won't say overunity is impossible but incredible claims require proof.

[Skiito]

I state nothing new here, but easily found what I remembered from HS science...which makes me sceptical of any invention that claims to be a wonder. This machine transforms the electrical energy into steam, albeit less energy in than out, But I wonder how long the machine could steadily work without breaking down???
"The First Law of Thermodynamics says that energy under normal conditions cannot be created or destroyed, simply transformed from one type of energy to another. The second law is a bit more complex than the first law, but basically it says that any time you do work, including any time you make an energy transformation, some of the starting energy is going to be lost as heat."

[7redorbs]

Hey Skiito, I agree- but if there is energy we do not know about - or rather, energy that we do, such as ZPF, it's not breaking any law, but rather, surpassing the complete laws of measure. Much like when newton discovered gravity.

No? Perhaps, I don't know. On assumption the device was working, which with this device I believe it is - the water hammer is quite well documented - the correct terminology might be "the law of thermaldynamics appears to be being overturned, because the source of the open system, perhaps ZPF, or some other foreign force , geometry, or magnetism, is interacting with the field in an unbalanced way - when infact it is not, and conservation is being observed by the universe - as usual" as opposed to "we are getting energy out of nothing via overunity". Overunity by what measure is the question, and indeed - it is always by the measure of our current laws.

I think this change is necessary - if there is any truth, validity or foundation of ZPF and the casmir effect, particularly under light conditions. Perhaps the 260hz/second Bee, is bouncing photons between the angles of its wings causing the lift? - it is not just the 'granularity of the beats', but the interaction between those beats and other more invisible fields/waves.

Such as the casimir exposes well, once the correct conditions are met of course.

This is a little out there, but I feel it is needed, to understand that when we say overunity, we are talking about a new field - not something from nothing. Which is often 'used' by some very talented physicists to ridicule good, curious men, in a somewhat less curious, ignorant way. You are certainly not doing that Skiito, and I agree with you - energy can simply be transformed, but you make an assumption as do I, as does science itself - and that is, and has to be, the forces assumed to exist that we know - aren't affected by ones we do not - and often, as it did with QED in the last 100 years, this seems to be something of a cruel habit of science.

One could say men were idiots, and still are. Which is why I expect to be wrong as much as the next, but at the hands of open minded honesty - I would say.

Yours Truly,

A

ps: dare I say it, utility is not mechanical at all, but platonic-like, it is just the illusion of our higher methodologies nin mechanical systems (ignoring all subtle and quantum forces, until most recently) , and the Disillusion with the reality of the electrons spinning in these metals we use for mechanics - to really understand what is going on - at the quantum level.. perhaps devices that operate on something other than a magic electron magically popping out the other end without thought, but an understanding of the natural cycling of these metals (generated at a quantum level perhaps??) - Tesla , and many others studied this, and spoke of it a lot. Bedini, for instance.. Even if some devices were quackery, these are true geniuses, that I truly believe are onto something. That doesn't need a big grimey hammer to make a energy from. It doesn't need a cheap fuel source like oil, it requires extremely expensive technologies - but once complete it could reduce the price of everything almost overnight.. I think this is representative of an intellectual, or dare I say - gender orientated shift. The Male 'smack it with a hammer' just aint good enough anymore, understanding is key - the tradeoff ended i think, i mean smacking stuff, ended sometime ago.. maybe I waffle a little but it is from the heart.. what I say now

I think science, NASA even, are starting to figure out new ways to create, transducers was it? help me out frog - what was that gent talking about in terms of the 100 yr old water hammer machine? I'm going to watch the lecture tonight properly and have a chat with frog more about this.

[Cynar]

One big downer on any Over-U machine. Why hasn't nature already built one? Current research shows that there is a good chance DNA copying systems use Quantum computational systems to speed things up. Not a simple task. Now any form of OU system would be a MASSIVE advantage to any organism that evolved it. And considering the complexity of life so far, if it can be done, it wont be with simple magnets or fluid flow.

As for this specific device. I'd guess either
a) Something is messing up the energy measurement. air steam mix, or atomised droplets of water being measured as steam. No mention of how they are measuring the energy of the output.
b) Less likely, by the layout does seem similar to a vortex heat pump, this would allow the device to shift heat from one part (the room) to another (the water). This can appear to be over unity if you don't include the heat reservoir. (FYI this has been used for years in Iceland to heat homes by pumping heat from near by lakes, it's about 70% more efficient than a heating element.)

Oh and since red keeps wanting to bring it up ZPE is not some magical energy source. Assuming your talking about atomic ZPE, it's the energy the electron in orbit of an atom has, even at absolute zero. It exists because the electron cannot be at rest (n=0) and still exist. It is therefore limited to the n=1 energy level and above. The only way to access this energy is to destroy the electron. This only happens in nuclear reactions (specifically, positron emission decay).
The Casimir effect is the equivalent of the Young's modulus of an elastic band. It demonstrates the 'springiness' of space. And just like an elastic band or a magnetic field, it can only store energy, not magically create it.

Cynar

[zyfoxmaster]

Nice!