The "Joe Stack and John Bedell Connection"

[7redorbs]

this what I got passed today by a friend to distribute, from some 'crazed guy on GLP' - i dunno what to make of it

I find fast orbiting satellites picking up EM from the future a fascinating notion, we don't know a great deal about the sort of gravitic effect variations there may be. It's surprisingly intellectual - at least, what I would call 'intellectual'.
see what ya think, just keep an open mind,
A

John Bedell and Joe Stack were not terrorist, they were good friends of mine. In 1996, we met at an embedded systems conference in Sacramento. I do not feel like typing out all the details, but we hit it off right from the beginning. We begin analysing networks together and by 2002, Joe and I were able to penetrate just about any network connected to the Internet. The correspondence between John, Joe, and I eventually came to a halt, but in February, 2007 I get a call from Joe telling me that we needed to talk in person. I met with him and he spilled his guts to me. He told me about all the unlawful and clandestine operations our government was involved with and also informed me of the level of corruption that has manifested itself in capitol hill. He suggested that we find out what was going on by infiltrating the CIA's as well as the NSA's networks. I was really hesitant about it, but Joe told me that John was on board and pointed me to this website and a couple of others as a nudge of encouragement. My wife had recently passed and I really felt like I had nothing to lose, so the day after his proposal, and after countless hours of pouring over conspiracy theories, I accepted. It was not because my moral standards were as high as Joe's, but more that my wife's death had take a tremendous toll on me, and I went into it for the thrill (it kept my mind preoccupied and off my wife). That was the last time I saw Joe face to face. I did not see John face to face throughout the entire operation, but we communicated through digital mediums. Joe was the lead man. He orchestrated the entire event, and delegated tasks to people. I am a mathematics professor with a focus in cryptology, so Joe put me in charge of cryptography. I set up secure lines of communication and ran crypt-analysis on ciphered keys John sniffed off the networks. John was in charge of pen testing. If you are going to get caught, it will be during pen testing, since this the most intrusive part of the entire process. It had been years since we had worked together as a team, and Joe and John were not up to date on the latest network and software security practices. We started on private networks and worked our way up to large corporations. By 2009 we were prepared to undertake the task at hand. Joe kept things compartmentalised during the operation. We were given information on a need to know basis. I do not know what methods Joe used to attack what networks, or even what files he was after, I was only given cipher-texts and expected to return the clear-text. John was in charge of anti-forensics and clean-up. But, I knew something went wrong when Joe called me. I immediately knew right off the bat that something was amiss, when I heard John in the background. That was our number one rule: no face-to-face contact. His first words, "It's way bigger than anybody could have ever dreamed. Look at today's date. Listen to the audio-file I just sent you and then look at the time-stamp and at today's date again". I honestly thought I was busted. I thought it was a government agent trying to be funny. The date was February 15, and, I will not ever forget this, the audio file was last modified about an hour before I listened to it. The clip was of the end of a hockey game and as the commentator wrapped things up, he said something along the lines of "Thrasers: 7, Kings: 6. Thanks for listening to us on this Monday night". At first I didn't understand. I didn't even have a clue as to what was going on until Joe sent me more of the archives which had every digital video, and audio, broadcasts for events that were supposed to happen tomorrow, but had not happened yet. Confirmation finally came that this was not just some sort of hoax database kept for fun, when we tuned into the Thrashers-Kings game and the final score was Thrashers: 7, Kings: 6. After brainstorming and researching for days, they finally discovered the database was being written to via satellite. And from there things clicked into place. The NSA is able to see approximately 27 hours 42 minutes and 33 seconds into the future of the world. This is done through a satellite. The satellite is able to take images of earth, a selected number of video and audio broadcasts (the majority of it is news) routed to the satellite by communications on the ground up, to roughly 27 hours before it happens. As every second goes by it is slowly gaining the ability to see further into the future. I'm not going to expand any further here, but to say the satellite is able to do this because of a flaw in the way the Lorentz transformations were derived. This is my insurance. They have already kill Joe and John, and in such a way that they made them out to be monsters to the public. They will not do this to me. This is the way it works. If they kill me, abduct me or anything, all evidence including the properly derived Lorrentz transformations are to be automatically posted here. I must be present at my computer at 5:29 a.m. (my timezone) everyday in order to keep this posts from happening because 174 servers spanning the globe are set to ensure that happens automatically unless my password is entered. If the government tries to take this site out or this page, I have created a virus that will spread on a massive scale and automatically upload all the evidence I have against them to the victims PC, so at the very least thousands will know the truth but most likely millions. My password cannot be cracked. It would take longer to crack an 8096 bit RSA encryption key, than my self-made encryption system. My initials are T.S.G. and I am a Mathematics professor. This shall ensure if they kill me and try to slander my name in the media, there will be at least a few people who know the truth I'm not telling everything here because then they would kill me. It's the only bargaining chip I have left.

NASA and the link between Joe Stack and John Bedell

[Cynar]

A few of the more obvious problems with it. Totally ignoring the social commentary. The biggest one being, any missing terms in the Lorentz transformation anything close to the scale needed to create even millisecond delays would show up in numerous areas of science and technology. The effects of relativity on a local scale (planet sized ish or less) have been tested to an almost stupid level of precision. One of the biggest problems with combining QM and relativity is in fact the level of correlation needed to match both. An effect of this size would scramble communications with anything moving at a decent speed, inc every space probe beyond earth orbit. Considering the number of 'Independent' scientists from around the world required to cover up a problem like that...

The second is one of paradoxes. If he had mentioned how the universe protects its self from them, I would take a lot more interest. It obviously must, the current assumption regarding it is that the universe becomes distorted in a way that stops the time travel event. If this is right, that must be wrong. The fact he makes no mention of it, nor offers any other 'proof' that he has anything, other than his word, makes me more than a little doubtful.

The last, is that fact that if he truly knew cryptology he'd know that the safest bet is a series of one shot keys, which are truly unbreakable. (Considering the CIA would have a zero time key-breaker at least with this, if not an infinitely fast computer, anything breakable to even brute force would be broken within 27 hours (assuming they only have the 1 satellite).

Cynar

[7redorbs]

One time Pad derivatives are definitely the best kind of encryption I know of where there is no known practical way to break them. The same cannot be said for Triple DES and RSA. tooo true!! Quite a masterful accomplishment for a cipher that goes back to 1917. If RSA 8096 was the carrier for the OTP encryption, someone would have a really hard job on their hands, potentially also vice versa. Not sure about that though. Woo! Ironically the German foreign office used it in 1923, I wonder if what they use now is as secure? damn good question, I should research & write an article on this, I miss my computer security article research - real James bond huh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad

I have to say in this case I'm inclined to very much agree with you Paul. The only thing that got me was the novel idea that orbiting satellites can pick up EM in the future, if it doesn't make your jaw drop in wonder it certainly makes me chuckle, and consider a reality check! What the guy seems to say is 'My password cannot be cracked. It would take longer to crack an 8096 bit RSA encryption key' - not that he was using RSA. To me it remains a mystery to what his cipher has to do with his claims... perhaps a convenient ruse?

Some of the best coverup's are presented in a ridiculous way with real hints of truth , just to smear/discredit the truth effectively. That is not conspiracy, this is what the smart thing to do for the military and 'powers that be' is,divide and conquer can it really happen without deception, maybe if your enemy or the one you want to control is stupid.

I keep on hearing weirder shit every day, either the world is very broke, or at least - some of the things are real and provoke a whole shizstorm of conjecture and hypothesis. In any case, this story maybe surprisingly to you, is one of the more 'believable'. It's tempting to write them all of sometimes, but I'm reading weird stuff in new scientist, perhaps there is space for spok in some of these after all. Just, maybe, not this one. As fun as the concepts mentioned sound, as a computer tech with some amount of experience it doesn't really add up to much at all.

Like the guy doesn't want to spill the truth, dis-info campaign or hoax i say. It really does come down to that an awful lot. I won't judge the guy, maybe I'm wrong; doth not written in stone ;D

a surprisingly interesting idea and a suitably technical excitation, nothing rock solid, and not convincing enough, oh like so many things; I can usually take some of the more controversial stuff. The question is my judgement of indifference to this conspiracy a matter of divided cultural values or articulate rational truth. ;-)

When we speak of 'classified' 'top secret stuff' - it's so frustrating to really know if you know, because even if you do, you don't know if you've all the facts, especially if it involves non public or material evidence. Sometimes I wonder if I am testing the claims , or testing myself. Perhaps this matter of relativity and quantum implies both? Maybe culturally that is why the Egyptians took such a fine interest in the artistic notion of duality and geometry. Geometry and maths, of course, like many of the great western civilizations that followed it. Perhaps it isn't all technology afterall, but cultural or psychological wisdom that truly influences accomplishments and likely the perceived truth, in all of these matters I come across. Perhaps the explanation for all those bible bashers is more simple than we might have thought. It has less to do with a bullshit bible or as much to do with the human condition, at the very least. Such wisdom is lost in intellectualisation I have found, it always seems like I am trying to describe understanding, rather than understanding what is describe. Perhaps that's just cheating.

Technology definitely seems to be a result of these more archaic forms, that is not really an archaeological premise, but a natural philosophical one - today is yesterdays end continued. I feel forced to consider whether the achievements of today would shine as bright, or if at all was it not the turmoil and victory of yesterdays pursuit. Perhaps there is some sort of 'newtonian' trade off - where every force of accomplishment has an equal and opposite reaction, at least if the psychological condition. Perhaps a real mastery of time and space is the understanding that the Duality the Egyptians seemed to include in every single one of their work peices represent an idea that was temporarily lost whilst materially and cultural changes were occuring. I suppose I am saying the archaic revival is but a heart beat away from the crisis of tomorrow from the turmoil of today. Some would call that wisdom, but I would argue to the death - that the wisdom exists because of some 'thing' - not some 'one'. Certainly a dilemma, if not cheating, of course.
*light chuckles*

Perhaps the return of archaic ideas is only something considered practical when current wisdom fails. I believe there is a psychological and a scientific premise created from that, necessity is the mother of all invention, then indeed - change.

Oh well, that seemed a little bit long winded, but I was so pissed off I lost that other post, dang! It was so long. I hope everything is well with you dude, i've not seen you in an age, stonehenge isn't resounding in your ears is it?? I tell you what buddy, when I looked at ya at stonehenge at like 3am, in total dismay and shock , that surely topped all of this crazy conspiracy shit, even this interesting idea of unification theory - perhaps there is some truth that intellectualisation is describing experience, but what experience really is, is something completely different. Truth has no name, or care for ours. Definitely logical Mr spok: but practical captain? *silence* ;-)


yours truly,
A


pss.
On the other hand maybe it is most practical to have both the archaic past cultural incentives, and the latest, or better - an understanding of all cultures as equal. It'd certainly make more sense on a macro-temporal level. Now whether this would make anyone mr popular guy, or monsieur friendly dictator, are something completely different. One thing I do feel passionate about is how the Universe seeks balance at every opportunity, perhaps the flow of anything isn't just one way, it's dependant on the scale of the inspection and detection of the exchange. As physicists found out, somewhat to their surprise in the early 20th century.

As for the NSA, I think the server farm , if they are even still using that sort of technology for this, would be most tremendously unfathomable even to me. They probably use hardware IC's specially designed for RSA or OTP. I've seen it done for SHA1, truly impressive, by some talented crypto guys once.. OTP is a bit more difficult, there are many random elements that several different messages could be created , making it very hard to know which one is genuine - now, that is the ultimate weapon - a message that can be read in many different ways, saying similar things, but you don't know which one unless you have secondary and tertiary sequences *fumbles to write it down