banned on that other site, so here I am!

[reasonable]

A mate turned me onto this site. I regd in Nov. but forgot my pword (thanks outlander for fixing me back up). I was heavily posting on ATS only to find I got banned today which was a total surprise. Oh well, the mods did not seem to like people there questioning "faith". I had some huge threads there, lots of good stats, then out of the blue with no warning -zap. I'm looking forward to contributing here, it sounds far less oppresive. Will do what I can to spread the word and see if we can get this puppy rollin'

reas

[7redorbs]

well.. provided that you keep it at personal opinion and avoid petite insults you are MOST welcome ;-)

We deny Censorship - but value personal expression and freedom. No we're not republican. We're just SANE!

Welcome!!

A

[reasonable]

Thanks, I plan to be chilled out here. TBH a bit disillusioned about forums at the moment. The fact this place has "Deny Censorship" at the top is encouraging. I perused ATS and the mods stated they banned me for behind the scene goings on which is a flatout lie. It is easy to see their bias towards anyone questioning "faith". This thread: Atheists to protect ATS - Fight the Fundies!, page 1 was just shutdown for the same reasons, I wonder if the OP was banned as well. Anyway I am done with that place, it's like North Korea.

[7redorbs]

Hello Reasonable.

well, well, well. At least in North Korea you are under no illusion of dictate! *smile*
AND anyway, there should never be punishment for asking questions. Even if they are silly questions. Someone wanting to learn intellectually or emotionally or by faith should be honored. As to ask God or Science a question is to define differences and similarities between belief and knowledge.

For whether a state of agnostic or theistic - to learn knowledge is wonderful. For if one really ought to be better, then I would immediately point out, messengers or receivers of God's word - we are still human -we are not complete.

He who can throw the first stone ;) Whenever the religious zealots get out their sticks I am quick to ask them when last they read the bible. True wisdom isn't action - it's understanding.

IMO questions and honesty have been punished before and it was called the Spanish Inquisition. Dark is the day when faith and belief can be so blind that we are ignorant to our own evils, that's why we must deny censorship, help each-other, improve the human race, and strive for a meaningful harmony in coming to understand eachother and our differences. Of course any religious man of temperateness knows such.

'If you can explain it in a way they will understand - it is immediately believed' - a wiser man than me


'All argument is against it, but all belief is for it' - Samuel L Johnson on the existence of ghosts

You really are welcome, and don't worry about asking questions, what is knowledge but many questions collected. What is belief but realizations from the knowledge? Separation is not as easy as we think, I think ;-) *laughs - yes that is a fallacy - this is why there is so much disagreement. But is it not all things fallacy if knowledge is reverent only to belief? Our fantasy and imagination maybe are our greatest intent of all. And that would be funny, because many of science and religion do not share this thought.

I am just glad I am not getting the Jaques de Molay treatment - or a Spanish inquisition for wondering. ;-) I'm sorry you had less luck on that other site

Peace,
A

[outlander]

No worries reas, it's been quiet but things should get hopping in 1-2 months after we build up enough user base. The only fanatics I'd like on this site are fanatics of rational thought ;)

stay tuned!

[7redorbs]

One thing I will say is - we do not have a vendetta against religion whatsoever. Quite the opposite. We invite them - We would just like honest and fair debate between anti-theists and theists, because indeed if either is righteous or wise enough - there will not be forts of war - but thoughts and more!

We intend to make sure both sides get fair, unbiased representation.
(I think this is the biggest problem on many forums)

Whoever it may be in science or religion - the wise need not a community to agree among themselves but an- opportunity for a fair debate

Sealing those who `victor` so all may know they did so without help or bias and from their own merits in honesty and reasoning.

This is easily enough for truth to victor. If this is what other sites want to address they would do this.

but many don't want to address truth.

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[Mr X]

I'm an Atheist, not an anti-theist. I read religious books, purely for historical interest (and to give me ammunition when theists come peddling their myths at my door).
This time of year brings them all out. I love explaining to them that the mid-winter festival is not Christian at all. (and the same goes for Eostre)

[7redorbs]

I'm an Atheist, not an anti-theist. I read religious books, purely for historical interest (and to give me ammunition when theists come peddling their myths at my door).
This time of year brings them all out. I love explaining to them that the mid-winter festival is not Christian at all. (and the same goes for Eostre)

I know this sounds like I'm un-learned, because I am somewhat - but what is the technical difference between atheist and anti-theist.. I liked the idea of anti-theist, because it seemed to me, to intimate a judge a book but not hold one of your own kind of philosophy - which IMO is what most atheists should be driving towards.

It surprises me that Atheists are happy to proudly bare the same clause of definite knowings of the 'existance of not book' - I suppose if I was to be an atheist, I would want to be an anti-theist as to discourage a belief system requiring a belief so profound it cannot be disproved or proven by man alone..

I'm probably just being Coy, but us free thinkers seem to manage that without trying sometimes..

PS: I enjoyed the seasonal remark - but nothing is wrong with christians, believing in something that is a fallacy isn't disprovable in my opinion, only intellectually ridiculous , but then faith has never tried to be intellectual - quite the emotional bi-pole - again i think Love is a positive force for the proturberance of life -sex is good for life!!! - it's people who think that this 'love' business involves chopping sworn enemies heads off. In which I'd have to point out - that's pretty crazy - and the bi-pole of intention.

Another way of saying it might be, fallacies are non disprovable constructs, but whatever the case people are can be 'morons' - using any sort of intellectual or emotional exploit to better their agenda. I firmly believe that is where the problems in humanity start. Not a bunch of 'silly people believing a myth' - that's not dangerous until you think your 'myth' equivocates requirements to kill half of Prague to avenge the success of Bohemian freedom..

Perhaps justification is a greater enemy than religion??? I'm definitely undecided. It's certainly an interesting topic of debate.

A

[Mr X]

In my opinion...

An atheist does not believe, or even acknowledge, in the existence of a god or gods, does not believe any supernatural beings exist, does not believe in an 'afterlife', or a 'heaven', or a 'hell'.

An anti-theist is someone who is actively opposed to theists and theism.

[7redorbs]

In my opinion...

An atheist does not believe in a god or gods, does not believe any supernatural beings exist, does not believe in an 'afterlife', or a 'heaven', or a 'hell'.

An anti-theist is someone who is actively opposed to theists and theism.

Ahh, that's my problem I always considered an atheist or a theist 'someone arrogant to think they knew for sure'

That's why I'm deeply agnostic, but the power of belief to me is really strong.. I've seen what it does to some religious and non religious people ;-))

Let me elaborate a little, I have a deep respect for those of any faith - *cough* - if atheist really is a belief, then is not atheism a faith? I don't know. I just feel we kind of need to separate knowledge from belief.. clearly they are different, yet one can be built onto the other..

I feel like the chicken and the egg just whacked me over the head with a large hen.

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