I'm an Atheist...

[Macky]

So, my question is, am I really an Atheist?

I think the best answer to this is a quote of Werner Heisenberg :

When you first drink from the glass of science you turn into an Atheist,
but at the bottom of the glass waits god.

My own perspective is : The more I know the less I seem to know.

Maybe I should add something to clarify the definition of god.

God and religion are as incompatible as law and justice.

[7redorbs]

I think the best answer to this is a quote of Werner Heisenberg :

When you first drink from the glass of science you turn into an Atheist,
but at the bottom of the glass waits god.

My own perspective is : The more I know the less I seem to know.

I agree with absolutely everything this man says, not because he is right. But because his approach is.

That is the difference between science and god.

Here is the difference for me. I know that arranging anything in space in a certain order affects the interaction of everything else in the universe. I know that every atom in my body is trace-able to the cosmos, like Carl Sagan said, and like Da vinci's cosmografia del minor spells out in symbol and written Italian.

We know directly from science, and my implausible sanity that the way atoms are put together is critical, but we can see more than that. We can say arranging time and space in certain ways gives different effects, it's called architecture and engineering.

It's fundamental to my point about how space/time must be changed by the granular interaction (granularity theory). It's a harmonic premise of superposition in my mind.

But more importantly than that, though science believes in everything I do, I'm supposed to be wrong and ungrounded because I can't test it how they want, to repeat the same exact moment each time.

This to me suggests who the real lunatics are, scientists, for thinking an untruth that `just because you can't measure something means it must not exist'. It's called the universe.

Better yet, it can be measured. Try driving fast, or driving slow, watch the interaction change, try honking your horn, or being polite, watch the resonant 'all at once' waves from all points in the universe converge to new points on each change.

Scientists are right that they can't predict it. They are wrong about everything else, they are even 'wrong' about themselves, but in order for me to say that - clearly - I am applying a closed-mind logic equivocal to occams razor from the opposite end. I can't say just because it can't be measured it can't exist.

The thing is, you don't need science to see it exists. We need much more things the universe has already given us.

Some of us, can't wait for science to discover the brilliance inside nature, some of us still believe we are part of it.


Which probably could have been summed up in a few words. In science you require permission to believe. In any open-minded fraternity, you are expected to believe in belief. Much more effective.

With this belief you can do everything with quantum chance, light, and modifying the interaction of electro-magnetics. e.g. objects in a wake. e.g. people, e.g. peoples families indirectly, e.g. their next birthdays, e.g. the interaction change because of the first and so on.

I'm pretty sure we all can choose never to give ourselves permission to use it for ourselves, but I pretty much know we all use it all the time to thrive, believe, do science, not do science, and it is pretty much the same process. Be an atheist, don't be an atheist. All manifest in time and space, and is called in science cause and effect. It's called making decisions, but in order for an evolved species to have done this in the first place, there must be some quantum chance measurement occurring, or quantum chance simulation occurring, inside the brain, thus to 'get around' looking at the events, re-creating them before.

I believe this is directly why people play over an event in their mind again and again after something terrible happens It's part of evolution, it's part of being able to change the universe, and the interactions within it. The brain is trying to 'cheat the universe', but not so, is how the universe works.

So it is natural that the brain would be a resonant circuit of interaction, as it is a product of cause effect also. Missed by science sorely, deep hole in my heart of rejection and malcontent from many who cant comprehend the idea, let alone agree with it.

But that's my inferiority complex talking. Much, I think stands in the way of truly objective thought. Far more than any of us might give it credit, or could be responsible or attentive enough per granular moment time.

It's a wonderful and powerful tool.

I have found a way to not be affected by terror as a result of being able to persuade myself.



the most ironic thing of all this, the one place that science hates on already changed reality, and it drives them absolutely mad how it is done

It's done in a way entirely alien from their desire to measure over many moments. We are talking about measuring the moment with a spiritual sense that might be called "common sense" or "good business", what we are really dealing with, is, someone who can calculate quantum chance at an increased level,

That doesn't mean that people who win the lottery are good at changing quantum chance. It doesn't have to mean that. Everything simultaneously converging at one point of space, would suggest just this to me. But then again that is my strange idea.

I don't know why but I have to keep repeating it, resonance, and belief , these two things could very well be the duality of the universe, belief being how you form reality, not like science thinks(how it's defined). The two need each other now more than ever in mind

Now that'd change things a lot.

I think science is about to find that belief forms reality, and that any definition can only describe exactly nothing.
But that's just quantum physics.

The thing that drives me crazy is we are all infinitely granular in a resolution of the universe (there is no end to measurable depth that has been found). That's pretty god like. But it's also pretty science like too.

You would have thought that given there is no end to measurable depth they would have realised there are 'other' ways, that are sometimes much better for getting the right answer, not measuring it at all. Guessing. Imagination.

These things form reality, and thus formed science. Science did not form definition, if anything it detracted from it, in order to trade-off.

Everything in the universe is a trade-off, and that is a scientific fact. I believe it's called conservation of energy. The exact same process and relationship is defined in the famous einstein equation e = mc ^ 2 . Which essentially means nothing is lost, only emitted via occuring exchange.

Which to me, makes it less surprising why the more we know the less we knew that we thought we did before. Perhaps this is the nature of harmonics? ;-) They interact inside us too. I think they control everything. Always remember, because I might not be wrong! Incremental harmonic construction. +1 like the Solfeggio.

Red,

[7redorbs]

Scrub all of that, it's too biased/side-ist.

I just don't have the time to explain it on the levels that I want to
.

It's called string theory for a reason, because those infinitely granular points in space, are connected with a peice of string to exactly all points in all places granularly, infinitely. Just like the brain has the capacity to do.

Ingo Swann was right. Perhaps time is what makes it all fit. Which would explain why you can change the shape by varying the frequency. Kinda simple really, but a pig to explain without sounding like a true Wally.



Red

[Me-Ki-Gal]

Your reply was like trying to read through a Celtic knotwork! ;)

'Cosmic conscousness' was the wrong idea I think. I sometimes wonder if 'life' is the universe trying to think... or even actually thinking?

You should look up knot theory and see how that relates . then look up d.n.a. sequencing coupled with knot theory and see if it goes hand in hand. then look up knot theory coupled with ideas in prime numbering and see if there is a bigger correlation in the idea of knots connecting pairings together. Throw out religious beliefs and just look at the scientific parts of what I am talking about and Me I am going to look at the Celtic knotwork and see if there is a spiritual connection to the all