A Theory of the Mind propogating Quantum Probability / Chance -truth can have no name

[7redorbs]

Well perhaps, that harmonics exists, gives away this 'double torus' system of interaction all by itself. That is between each point in space, these 'extensions' herein allow for the communication of particles, or language.

I would put forward the notion that there is a basic language in the universe, which causes, somehow, these 'torus' points in space to 'conduct' - perhaps to 'conduct' this energy - or 'language' into something abstract and new, like particles, or single cell life - or better, a collection of systems, DNA, much like the star system, and the planetary systems in itself.

So when we speak of truth, and there is no 'language' but ours, which came from the universal language, and we talk of truth, in that language like we are collection of systems (dna lifeform) - by our own laws of conservation and entropy the human mind should not be able to fathom such a thing. For indeed, this thing 'illogic' - this 'second current' - may be the force that preserves all languages, and systems.

The wish, to balance, created by two opposing currents, one to propagate life, language, novelty, and light energy the other, to destroy life & language, breaking down of novelty, and 'void' it. Almost as if a very careful computer programmer is at work in maintaining his memory cache in equilibrium at all times. The 'creator' , or 'programmer' of the universe is a valid question that we have struggled with for years.

The most interesting thing is, by our own 'currently accepted theories', it is hard to imagine how a human being could even begin to reach out into realms of thought - just by the energetic limitations of the mind, and its lifespan - in fact, I don't think by current standards, things that exist in the universe are agreeing.

And I think that alone, when there is one universe, and one single truth which science supposedly strives for, shows the universe determines everything, it probably determined us, at least, the balance in between space, where in which everything occurs. If you are interested in electrons, and neutrons, or virtual particles, or positive electricity flow, you are surely only looking at half of it, as surely as the glass that is half empty, must be half full simultaneously, for either to exist.

It seems this is the nature of duality, that attacks the foundation of science, in a most brilliant dynastic way, I could imagine the Egyptians like communists with wisdom. Indeed, it is a surprise that archaeologists find it quite a mystery exactly how they managed to destroy themselves, why they were destroyed - and how. Most theories show advanced cultures often are controlled by their _understanding_ of their technology.

Such as ancient mayan tribes, and african tribes, depended on underground freshwater. They flourished, growing over centuries to possibly a million inhabitants in single cities. Unfortunately they didn't realise that they were _depleting the water_ faster than replacing it, it destroyed them.

Interesting, how we consider ourselves so different with all our technology, when really the only thing that changed marginally - was how deep we could drill, and what we wanted to extract out of there. You could say the brain has not really changed a great deal over 2,000 years, perhaps, 5-10,000 years. What has changed is the amount of language we abstracted onto paper, our wisdom is occuring in space.

Even jungs collective unconscious is occuring in space. Perhaps this is what Levy-Brohl really was getting at when he wrote 'how natives think' - the space in between the culture, is what is describing the interaction aswell as the electron discharge/charge.

Indeed whether the circuit is charging or discharging is actually DIRECTLY a matter of relativistic perspective. and since current implies duality, or flow it is easy to say yes, it is not well understood , and that is probably because relativity and the universe are still not well understood.

You could say we just know the code, but not the ark-hitecture. One of the questions that really gets me excited is, was the arc of the covenant electric? no It was a golden rectangle though, did the holy grail give immortality the same way the circle shaped cup does?

Perhaps wisdom can be found on the lid of a glass, if you really understand what you are looking at , you might realise the universe is a fallacy of its own too!

Heresy, i'm sure. But I genuinely believe these are important points to be raised ;-)

a most enjoyable read too, thankyou
yours truly,
A

it very much seems like balance is the progenitor of perpetuity, as much as it is the dependent to which all systems of propagation are dependencies of. Surely this reason is enough to understand our misunderstanding of perpetual motion, to realise it is as inconceivable to throw out as rubbish as it is to believe unified science is not in contradiction itself; clearly only our theories created disagree, the languages of interaction that were already there that are part of a complete unified system, yet to be understood, and unified, it would explain in itself our inability to understand perpetuity, if this stuff called 'balance' and 'space' didn't exist.

I would say the universe considers space one of the fundamental and ultimate progenitor to these unified forces, if harmonics are the key to understanding unified field theory, or perpetual motion and gravity systems - then surely space is a great progenitor that is currently ignored - enabling, or determining the conservation of, and speed of transmissions therein. Perhaps it should not be the rules of theory that determine unification, but the obviousness of closed system energetics; logically a causation to reach towards normalized unification dependent on closed rules only. Interestingly such an idea closes duality, suggesting the closure of duality at one pole, creates or encapsulates the duality within somehow. Perhaps ;-)

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It would certainly seem, you are right about one thing. There is an invisible force that sits in between all things, it has many names, the law of conservation & thermal dynamics laws, relativity, quantum relativity.

The amazing thing is, they all happen in the same space, _they are unified already_ - we are the ones that struggle with it. Probably because we lack the imagination to see we exist only at 'one level' of language. For indeed, truth as surely has no name, as I. It seems, to me that, this process on earth called evolution is not only natural, but also happening within this same space that all these other forces that 'are incompatible in science'.

I would put forward the notion, are these theories incompatible with each-other because of the properties of space, or because of the attributes and expectations o the mind? Certainly, the modal logic that _all happen within space_ , is a give away to what the universe, and universal forces are. Certainly I have not heard a better term, if any than that term you used, what was it again?

[Rediscover]

Brilliant my friend, it seems truth indeed cannot a have a name in language, it seems that truth - as an absolute - IS, it's unchangeable, whereas language is (a method of) ex- or interchange.

If truth would exist and could be named in the realm of language it would be a potential, therefore dual, having an opposite and expressable as any value between truth and it's opposite or zero. Truth as an absolute seems to be out of our relative "world" of change. Very nice to know when engaging people who speak of the truth ;)

The most interesting thing is, by our own 'currently accepted theories', it is hard to imagine how a human being could even begin to reach out into realms of thought - just by the energetic limitations of the mind, and its lifespan - in fact, I don't think by current standards, things that exist in the universe are agreeing.

A paradigm shift might be needed for this, our accepted theories exclude us as a part of the whole, we regard ourselves as observers of a great play. A little reasoning might indicate we should leave this path immediately for we are part of the play instead of some external entity looking at the play from some imaginary outside. As disappointing it may sound, there is only the whole and everything is part of it.

The "strange" observer effect which we don't seem to comprehend stems from this, but it will become obvious as soon as we realise the above.

By this realisation it comes clear that everything we do affects the play, no escape is possible because we're part of the play. This feedback creates logically a fractal nature because we are affected by the play itself.

If the whole is everything there is then it must be finite, maybe infinetly large but finite because of it's existence as some"thing". Taking something from it would make it something else, adding to it also. Expanding or compressing it will not change it, neither heating, cooling, vibrating or playing tennis with it.

[rant] Semantics, language, translations, can't wait for telepathy to arrive, translating things like a simple mental picture to words only to be translated to mental pictures at the other end is highly inefficient [/rant]

The idea of anything being created or destroyed by measurement is a trap, by measuring we take from the object into the measurement, ergo the measurement creates which the measured object voids. The whole consists of both the measurement and the object so the nett result is zero there. It's an exchange between one part of the whole and another part.

To measure the position of an atom in the quantum field is as voiding one atom at the measuring point and have the field balance it. Hey, we detect an atom at each point we measure, wtf. Oh we have a measurement setup voiding one.

Of course our current science can explain this by postulating that an atom is scattered but as long as we keep our current paradigms in place, not opening up to realising that we are/could be part of a balanced system "whole" it might indeed be a very long road.

As long as physics, perception, mind, thinking, feelings (all real because they are perceived in our reality, just try yourself) e.g. "our" reality is not contemplated as a whole then current science still denies "us" as being whole, lest everything as a whole. Wish them good luck in search for unification.

If the arc of the covenant could be a clever way to tell a whole story in itself then to me it seems like following: covenant, the solemn pledge to do action or refrain from it, arc: electrical and segment of curve, the box itself: dimensions depicting the phi ratio, layers to define the existence of polarity and duality.

My bold conclusion: Somebody makes a solemn pledge to do action in spiralling form if polarity is created, the result is electric, trying to look into it will leave you with an empty box Who said the gods didn't have some kind of humor?

[7redorbs]

Perhaps duality and 'co-operative harmonics' have something in common with the 4 fold structure of DNA and its 2 coil structure. DNA - afterall is the ultimate language representing a collection of systems.

Something I think the electromagnetic current article I wrote tries to (albeit crudely) to suggest. That is, that the informational theory of the universe, could be a singularity, to which the duality spurns. Or better still, the language we use - is already part of the universe itself. If you think about it for a short moment, it should be obvious to anyone being honest?? ;-) I don't expect to be agreed with !

It is said that gravity permeates everything. I would point out, perhaps gravity permeates nothing - given that it moves beyond the speed of C, is apparently instantaneous, and as you move away from gravity linearly, it can get stronger AND weaker, like a standing wave with harmonics! Consider this, maybe gravity permeates nothing. That would account why it reached somewhere instantly.

Perhaps the wavelength of gravity is infinite, and it creates all the other _sub harmonics_ below. In the same way that the wavelength of the universe is probably infinite (or slightly more than infinite) - causing it to grow faster than the speed of light. In the same way, gravity is not limited.

Certainly though, Schroedinger - if not proud, would have enjoyed the questions! And I hope you did too. This is indeed very interesting. language deriving from the beginning, or a vaccum of zero vector. The real question is where the potentials could come from that 'started it all' - i'm not sure if my 'novel theory' solves any of the _main issues_ - still, my theory happens to imagine an explanation for several things we _do not have an answer to_ . Call that a compromise if you will, but I call it a necessity. It makes me think of the phrase "language derived from the beginning to current" - pun fully intended.

Some flies have little keratin micro-sensors embedded in them, They look like:


notice the replicated micro-lens developed by the university, to detect Long wave Infra Red in the same way. Of course the skills of this bugs diffraction grating developed via evolution probably over millions of years - and we can use this design, to understand specific wavelengths and methods for detecting them a lot faster.

Grebenikov, the man who discovered anti gravity, said he found one of these waveguide microlens array on another species of insect, apart from this one had a diffraction grating lens that *apparently* modified gravity - itself.

And, I can absolutely agree - it's totally conceivable. But furthermore, amazing that a man in the 19th century would claim something we only _just beginning to properly understand_ 100' years later. No, not amazing, astonishing. That is why I think that it would be astonishing if Grebinkov was lying. He truly was a genius way ahead of us - do geniuses lie? Like tesla apparently did? or does the common man? Well, liar or not - people like Tesla and Grebinkov are to thank for the modern engineering era, society as a whole might be to thank for the suppression of engineering triumphs that have existed thereon in-between. If true, it's a real sad state of affairs. Based on fear, and appeal to authority (on both sides as far as I'm concerned!!!).


The Biological device (Tesla: OBSERVE NATURE, COPY NATURE)

The photomechanic infrared (IR) sensilla of Melanophila beetles are miniaturised biological sensors for IR radiation showing a microfluidic component enclosed inside a little cuticular sphere. The Melanophila IR sensilla have evolved from mechanosensitive bristles (hair mechanoreceptors) and are still innervated by mechanoreceptive sensory cells. Each IR sensillum can be regarded as a fast transducer of IR radiation into a micromechanical event.

perhaps we need to change the term diffraction to grating to fully encompass biological and crystaline structure. Becaue it's a scientific fact, It certainly applies. Albeit, not in the way we might expect it (who'd have thought instead of radio waves to x Rays and back there would be a LW Infra Red to chemical type interface. Still, that's exactly what it appears to be, ;-) because, that's exactly what it is - Viktor said this 100 years ago. People? Do you still consider him a liar and a fraud and a heretic? ;-)

Yours truly,
A

U.S. Military Looks to Beetles for New Sensors
Melanophila acuminata - Google Search

Infra-red Receptors in Melanophila acuminata DeGeer

[Rediscover]

Something I think the electromagnetic current article I wrote tries to (albeit crudely) to suggest. That is, that the informational theory of the universe, could be a singularity, to which the duality spurns. Or better still, the language we use - is already part of the universe itself. If you think about it for a short moment, it should be obvious to anyone being honest?? ;-) I don't expect to be agreed with !

Are you kidding ?? The common misconception is the "belief" of current science that everything voids to and in a singularity. By the understanding that a point of singularity is nothing more than a passage of an axis of the wave it could come quite clear that a flow from a singularity point must also exist. This implies also another wave passing point for else no wave could exist. The other "point" of singularity is a plane of zero pressure as opposed to a singularity point of maximum pressure. Now try to picture this, a spiral from a plane to a point compressing as it gets smaller (charging) and a spiral from a point to a plane expanding as it is getting bigger (discharging). It's the same wave, it is the wave.

Yes, I do agree ;)

It seems gravity could well be the inward spiralling, charging, condensing part of the wave whereas radiation is the outward spiralling, discharging, expanding part of the wave.



It seems like a very cunning plan giving our senses only the ability to detect the red spiral, only one half of the complete wave of the universe. It provides us with the illusion of time, it doesn't allow us to find the gravitating part although we can measure the effects with our senses.

Could this universe be a vibrating plane of void, it would help to explain the instantaneous impact of one wave (or particle) through the void and by the void on the other.

And for as far as Viktor is concerned, it seems he and another well known Viktor had one thing in common, they took their time to observe an drew their own conclusions, they gave it to the world for what they understood of it. They observed effects using their own time and money into areas you wouldn't even get funding for right now. I rather believe and respect people who act only out of their love for their research than some funded result driven research. No matter if they are wrong or right.

And for what it is worth, if science should be driven by consensus then we should leave it to politicians.

[Rediscover]

I'm sorry, I feel a little like I'm using this thread to boost some wild theory which is developing at this moment in my mind, it's an ongoing process fueled by this thread and the insights expressed in here.
Maybe it's the feedback which by resonation extends or cascades this creative process :p
So please ignore it or delete it if it for any reason can be perceived as my creative process only.

Slowly things are falling together and this guy Grebinikov fits, all of a sudden it seems to fit perfectly. He could be riding the creation of the complete structure just before the structure becomes completed and able to be perceived.

This requires some explanation, all right.

Take our current state, all things we are able to measure directly are radiative, light and so on and we quantify them as force, vector or wave. We're also able to measure indirectly effects which can't be measured directly and we also call this force, or vector or wave.

The origin of the radiative direct measurement can be pinpointed exactly, just as the origin of the unmeasurable gravitating force.

Of course we could go on and try to find a way of measurement for the radiative part of gravity and call it's carriers gravitons. Something seems illogic here.

It's been my tunnel vision for a very long time, every effect should have a measurable wave, but it never occurred to me that we are only able to measure radiation.

This means that through our senses we are only able to observe the decaying part, the radiation, as energy. Energy released by decaying as Einstein put out in E=mc^2.

This would mean that everything we sense is a structure which is decaying, our sensed reality.

If we assume that our sensed reality IS reality than of course we would have to come up with a theory which creates everything at once only to be decayed into nothing over time, let's call it a big bang of creation.

But maybe the universe, for whatever it is, is somewhat smarter and more durable.

What if creation and decaying are happening in a continuous cycle ? Decay continues where creation ends and creation continues where decay ends.

The same wave which creates, also decays. Let's take a look at the stars and look for a spiralling galaxy for example. We are looking at a center and two outward spiralling radiating arms. In these arms are smaller entities/waves which could be in whatever state, either radiating or gravitating but preponderantly radiating.



Would this be all ?

What about the "black space" in between those two radiating arms, could we also have two inward spiralling gravitational arms. Of course we are not able to measure it because we are only able to measure radiation, but the effect is there for sure and can be seen. Could not being able to measure radiation imply we are dealing with gravitation - think dark matter ?

Now a galaxy is quite big so the time it takes for such a system to complete it's wave might be trillions of years, our solar system might do in shorter time, elements might do it billions of times per second.

It might look like our solar system is already decaying for it is throwing of planets which start out very dense and become more gaseous the further they follow their path into oblivion. Only to become part of the sun again by gravitation in the next half of the wave. Moons of planets and rings of Saturn come to mind also.

So, this leaves us with two parts, the creation of the structure and the decay of it. What we sense is the structure decaying so in order to sense a change we need to modify the structure created.

By changing the wave itself we change the next cycle, by creating structures in a certain way we might be able to change our perception in the next and following cycles. I think Grebinikov might just have tapped that.

If the change we want to sense is being floating above the earth than creating a certain structure might help us adjusting the wave just right to perceive this.

The very limited approach of current science by trusting measurement only will miss the other half of all. No direct measurement is also a measurement result, maybe the measurement of creation. The denial of anything, any possibility just because we are not able to measure it directly is behaving like a child.

I really like to thank all "mad" scientists for their open-mindness, their pursuit and their effort to make any "sense" of it.

Now could structures we see on earth be machines for altering waves, and could we also understand worshipping of the sun as mother of the earth ?

[7redorbs]

Hey, buddy... woah, a disclaimer, that's truly hilarious. Perhaps at this level of what might seem like rampant speculation, necessary. Maybe keeping an open mind is as interesting and hard a job as keeping ones mind closed !! *chuckles*

I think what interests me about what you are saying is the simple fact that we detect the reflections, and not the objects themselves. (And to think people have an issue understanding duality theory and 3 fold numerology?) - well they do, hell, I do. Speaking of reflections, what is past present and future anyways?

We see time all the time. Just kidding. On a serious note, there is something to be said about perception and mind. Grebinkov, and Schauberger, and a lot of the "crazy stuff on keelynet" speaks about this _all the time_ ; hell the claims are as wild as some of their machines were activated with the mind. Serious alarm bells for any skeptic, understood.

The question is, what does this duality have to do with perception, and the answer it seems for me - each time seems to be - everything.

do we make the future or does it make us - that depends which side your standing

The noble man dare not ever claim it, less he'd be changing who he was, and what he appeared to be. But what changed - really?

Yours truly,
A

[remelic]

This is interesting because it relates to what I'm currently working on. I believe that the center of each galaxy is a pure vacuum where nothing can exist. The forces would not allow anything to enter the center without being destroyed or thrown back out. The singularity, if one does exist, will be made of two particles spinning around each other. For me they are magnetic, one north-pole one south-pole spinning at extremely high speed.

Also, my current study has to do with magnetism on plants and what I find is that North-pole energy prohibits growth of life where South-pole energy encourages the growth of life. It is like day and night. A galaxy having stars in one arm and none in another suggest to me that the dark arms of a galaxy are North-pole influenced and the arms full of stars are South-pole influenced So a galaxy is like a bar-magnet spinning at its center with the poles outward. But a galaxy would actually have two sources at its center, projecting magnetic energy outward and drawing charged particles inward and around.

Also, I too predicted that the Earth gave birth to the moon just like a child born of its mother. Actually all the planets were formed in this way. If a core is liquid, nothing is saying that a small piece of it cannot drift away from the center and be thrown out with centrifugal force. Then there is core material that can begin collecting mass to form it's own surface. I even located an exit-point on the surface of the Earth where the moon could easily fit through. This area is just north-east of India where the circular chain of mountains starts. Draw a complete circle from this arc and you will find your exit. Either something the size of the moon struck the Earth here creating the mountains or something was ejected out of the Earth here. One or the other. There are also myths that Jupiter Created Venus. Even the whole ancient Greek mythology has relation to the formation of our solar system where planets give birth to other planets.

I'm just writing what my mind sees for this situation and may have no scientific basis what-so-ever.

[Rediscover]

Now your way of looking at north- and south pole energy completely coincides with the way I'm thinking whereas north pole is energy gathering and south pole is energy providing. I'm very interested in your plant research especially when south pole energy seems to be beneficial for plants.

The difficulty is in contemplating a static magnet, it simply cannot exist for as far as I'm concerned. Talking about a magnetic field as if it is a force, a static force which acts on other items just doesn't seem to make any sense. In my opinion is a magnetic field a dynamic entity which has it's own laws, but it should include motion, the motion which keeps the magnetic field a magnetic field in itself. It seems to be an effect itself, not a cause.

So, if we have an energy flow of magnetism or moving corpuscles, let's call them little magnets for Ed's sake, and we need to get a self-sustaining object which has magnetic properties like a bar magnet or a planet then following is what I could come up with.



This leaves us with magnetically charged surroundings or even a completely magnetic universe which gave up some magnetic charge to build mass or at least the perception of it. How and why this happens, the cause, is out of scope of this post, mind comes to my mind for that but I haven't figured it out completely.

So looking at the picture we see mass building at the north pole, not only mass building but also electrical charge. The north pole is pictured at the center of the object, it's effect will be felt at the surface of the sphere therefore we think the pole is at the surface or a few meters beneath, stupid dogma and educational delusion strikes again.

I think it was Albert Pike in Morals and Dogma who actually mentioned the two towers in between which a sailor should direct his ship in order not to get confused by the magnetic compass if he should go too far north. Well, it could become quite obvious that a compass needle would turn any direction if you enter the integration zone.

We also see disintegration in a circular plane at the equator, magnetism which came from the surroundings, formed mass and now by electric discharge or radiation charges the surroundings magnetically again. This magnetic south pole, as I see it, delivers the building blocks for creation in any next cycle. If this next cycle would be some growing process in a plant, animal or human being then indeed south pole energy, that is magnetic energy which we don't account for in current physics, could provide additional energy to this process. North pole on the other hand would be sucking in necessary energy and therefore have a bad effect on growth.

Indeed very interesting your line of research, please keep us posted.

I'm just writing what my mind sees for this situation and may have no scientific basis what-so-ever.

Glad you do just that, science is about theorising and falsification for as far as I'm concerned, not for theory preaching.

[7redorbs]

I have to say guys ;) I miss these conversations hehe

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